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Vos

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Possible bug in stage 7 Tour de France, season 19
« on: September 26, 2021, 01:00:52 PM »


It seems to me there is a bug in this stage 7 TdF, season 19.
Looking at how the race went + results, it was not a FFHHF race as the race picture shows,
but my best estimated guess = FFMM^F --> with s3 as pure mountain and s4 as brown section with 1 mountain + 1 hill in it.

I'm not 100% sure of this, so, it would be great if other CFF managers reacted on this post with their race-experience of this stage 7 TdF.

Also I cannot remember if this TdF stage of Muret to Rodez happened before in CFF. Maybe it is the first time in CFF of this TdF stage.
And maybe there is someone who knows if this stage happened before, please react here, it is good to know.

In the real Tour de France ( stage 13 of 2015 ) the race picture is the same as in the CFF race picture :



I did not inform Oska by pm, because first I want confirmation of other CFF managers that this stage 7 has a bug.

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Re: Possible bug in stage 7 Tour de France, season 19
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2021, 01:08:47 PM »
I have no idea. But I guess that the key to the answer of this question is in the managers with hill sprinters. I guess some of these sprinters were leaders, and 4 EPs (or maybe 3) should have been enough to stay in the lead group after S3 and S4. I assume all the GT riders were not using less than 4 EPs on the hill sections. Any manager with a hill sprinter leader that could give us some hints?

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Re: Possible bug in stage 7 Tour de France, season 19
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2021, 01:10:41 PM »
Legarra 4th favourite of the stage was riding as helper for Martin.

He had 5 EP used in S3 (to be sure to stay in front) and to my huge surprise was in the 3rd group of 0:35 behind (The same with superhelper Waithe of Blackhole). So definitely something fishy was going on in this stage...  :(

Edit:
Also note that the only helpers that could follow in front in this stage was the likes of climb-hill riders with a good sprint stats.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2021, 01:14:25 PM by Atalm93 »

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Re: Possible bug in stage 7 Tour de France, season 19
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2021, 01:25:57 PM »
I see in the calendar of this season 19 at the race picture of this stage 7 TdF ;
CFF record =
Jøran Holtet
40.050 Km/h
Quickstepbronx
Seizoen 18

And this stage happened a few times more,
because next to the race picture it shows that the most succesfull cyclist is the well-know hills sprinter Pasqual Cruijff.

It seems to me this stage had no bug problems in the past, but I have still doubts about this stage 7 of this season,
despite it was won by hills sprinter Roman Lipko.
And thanks for the reactions so far.  8)
« Last Edit: September 27, 2021, 12:41:49 AM by Vos »

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Re: Possible bug in stage 7 Tour de France, season 19
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2021, 02:38:33 PM »
It seems to me as if the general RV is sprint-hill, however the section 4 results had tourers with more climbs with a break on the field, which even if you'd expect them to use 12 effort before the last section, you'd still expect a few hillers with some sprint to do the same & be in a breakaway situation.

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Re: Possible bug in stage 7 Tour de France, season 19
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2021, 03:09:10 PM »
This makes a lot of sense IMO.
That the GV is correct for the stage, but the sections are wrong and it is a Mountain section instead of hill that mixes in with the GV per section thst gives this weird mix up.

For instance I know the stats of Valgren and my own Legarra. Legarra much better sprinter and Legarra also slightly better hill rider. Valgren in front of S3 as helper, Legarra left behind in group 3 (Legarra full push 5 in this section). Only the better Mountain stat of Valgren makes sense to explain this difference.

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Re: Possible bug in stage 7 Tour de France, season 19
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2021, 03:18:08 PM »
I forgot to set a tactic so all my riders had my classic 22222, but both my GT rider and my sprinthiller were on the same group at s3. My GT rider is quite good at sprints (ESB specialist) while my sprinter has 30 mountain.

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Re: Possible bug in stage 7 Tour de France, season 19
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2021, 04:37:48 PM »
I think something was strange in this stage also.
I went for the stage win with my sprint hiller Clemente and the 2° place matches the stage profile, but on the other hand he lost the helper, Brassart that is a hiller with sprint, just where he should had been better in the hills section.

And what is more strange is that my GC rider, Heijblok, that is a consistent 2nd group finisher in sprint and sprint hill stages managed to get in the 0:00 group as a free role, something that has never done before riding as a leader.

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Re: Possible bug in stage 7 Tour de France, season 19
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2021, 07:28:37 PM »
It was a bug, race incident... for next times it is fixed.

I see maybe form card works bad, I change code and I hope now it works well.

Thanks for your patience.

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Re: Possible bug in stage 7 Tour de France, season 19
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2021, 12:22:26 PM »
Thanks for fixing it, Oska.  8)