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Re: WCS 2023
« Reply #315 on: September 19, 2023, 10:58:08 AM »
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Re: WCS 2023
« Reply #316 on: September 19, 2023, 09:53:52 PM »
I'm pleased to have managed above mediocre for the first time in how many years.  Patrick Kok, Foeke, and others still clearly have superior recent records and will be seeking to be top of the table by the end of next year, but for now I can do the king of the table dance.

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Re: WCS 2023
« Reply #317 on: September 19, 2023, 11:04:37 PM »
I think it is very sad for cycling in general that one team takes all places in a GC podium of a grand tour.  :'( Does anyone else think there is something shady with Jumbo Visma? I was already thinking it since Vingegaard's TT at TdF.

No I don’t, because it’s explainable. The problem is with the other teams, they need to step up and change their approach. Jumbo is miles ahead with every aspect of the game. They don’t leave anything up to chance.

I wonder why you think it’s shady though, maybe you can explain?

I don't think you can have a "the best TTer of all times" performance in a TT in the TdF, and then not using these TT skills for any other race (including TT WC), any other year. Either you have these skills or you don't and a topform doesn't push you from being a top10-top5 TTer to the best of all times. Maybe top a top3 or winning, but not winning with 3 min advantage over other top TTers. I didn't believe it when it happen, still don't believe and I don't think there is an explanation that will make it believe it. If Vingegaard shows up in a TT WC and wins it, then I'll start believing.

It is true that Roglic and Vingegaard in theory should have been (as they were) much better than all their rivals. Kuss gained a great advantage in the stage where he was in the breakaway, but still after that he was the third best climber, better than all the other rivals that supposedly had prepared La Vuelta better and hadn't riden Giro and Tour. Anyway, I admit that Kuss's performance is believable. I agree that Jumbo Visma's tactics and technical aspects during the races are way better than other teams'.

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Re: WCS 2023
« Reply #318 on: September 20, 2023, 11:00:50 PM »
  Strong wins stage 1.

CFF League stage 1 winner = Animatoca  8)
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Re: WCS 2023
« Reply #319 on: September 21, 2023, 10:15:24 PM »
  Biermans wins stage 2.

CFF League stage 2 winner = Animatoca  8)
Animatoca is still the GC leader with 3 more stages to go.


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Re: WCS 2023
« Reply #320 on: September 23, 2023, 09:30:30 AM »
  stage 3 solo victory of Healy, who is the new GC leader.

CFF League stage 3 winner = Vlominck  8)
Animatoca is still the GC leader with 2 more stages to go.

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Re: WCS 2023
« Reply #321 on: September 24, 2023, 12:12:04 AM »
  de Kleijn wins stage 1.

CFF League stage 1 winner = ophiuko  8)

  Campenaerts wins the 23,9 km time trial.
Hirschi is the new GC leader, but the top 3 GC is superclose ; his teammate McNulty on 0:02" and former GC leader Healy on 0:03"

CFF League stage 4 winner = Vos  :)
Animatoca is still the GC leader with 1 more stage to go.

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Re: WCS 2023
« Reply #322 on: September 25, 2023, 01:04:42 AM »
  Syritsa wins stage 2.

CFF League stage 2 winner = Animatoca  8)
Kalarratas is the new GC leader.


T.Johannessen wins stage 5. In the picture the final GC ;  2nd McNulty 0:03",  1st Hirschi 0:00",  3rd Healy 0:05"

CFF League stage 5 winner = Mitte  8)

GC winner = Mitte  8)
Mitte wins also the sprint jersey.
Vlominck wins the mountain- and youth jerseys.


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Re: WCS 2023
« Reply #323 on: September 27, 2023, 12:11:15 AM »
  Jackson wins stage 3, and Babor wins stage 4.
CFF League ;
stage 3 winner = Vlominck  8)
stage 4 winner = ophiuko  8)
ophiuko is the GC leader halfway this tour.

  Viviani wins stage 1.

CFF League stage 1 winner = Vos  :)

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Re: WCS 2023
« Reply #324 on: September 28, 2023, 08:20:34 AM »
  solo victory of new GC leader Carr in the crucial only mountain stage to Genting Highlands.

CFF League stage 5 winner = Vos  :)
ophiuko is still the GC leader.

  Leitão wins stage 2.

CFF League stage 2 winner = Vos  :)

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Re: WCS 2023
« Reply #325 on: September 29, 2023, 08:43:25 AM »
  de Kleijn wins stage 6.

CFF League stage 6 winner = Vos  :)
ophiuko is still the GC leader.

  Parisini wins stage 3, and Lund is the new GC leader.

CFF League stage 3 winner = ophiuko  8)
Vos is still the GC leader halfway this tour.

  Weemaes wins stage 7.

CFF League stage 7 winner = Kalarratas  8)
ophiuko is still the GC leader with 1 more stage to go.

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Re: WCS 2023
« Reply #326 on: September 29, 2023, 12:42:39 PM »
I don't think you can have a "the best TTer of all times" performance in a TT in the TdF, and then not using these TT skills for any other race (including TT WC), any other year. Either you have these skills or you don't and a topform doesn't push you from being a top10-top5 TTer to the best of all times. Maybe top a top3 or winning, but not winning with 3 min advantage over other top TTers. I didn't believe it when it happen, still don't believe and I don't think there is an explanation that will make it believe it. If Vingegaard shows up in a TT WC and wins it, then I'll start believing.

It is true that Roglic and Vingegaard in theory should have been (as they were) much better than all their rivals. Kuss gained a great advantage in the stage where he was in the breakaway, but still after that he was the third best climber, better than all the other rivals that supposedly had prepared La Vuelta better and hadn't riden Giro and Tour. Anyway, I admit that Kuss's performance is believable. I agree that Jumbo Visma's tactics and technical aspects during the races are way better than other teams'.

Didn't see your message till now.

Now you're talking about something different, the TT performance of Vingegaard. Okay I can agree on that one, I was absolutaly amazed by that performance since I didn't expect that one. BUT after seeing an analyzing video from an Youtuber I could understand how it was possible, but I still can't believe the big time gaps, so on that single stage I agree with you. Some factors to take in consideration: it was more a climb TT than a flat TT, in this kind of TT's you always expect Vingegaard, Roglic, Pogacar and Evenepoel in front of the TT specialist (Cavanga in the top 10 was actually weirder to me than Vingegaard winning). Also Vingegaard is a more technical rider than people think, his bike handling skills are amazing. He won 1 sec in almost all corners in that TT, and it was a very technical TT, the anlayzing video showed this. Also the TT bike of Jumbo is better than the one from UAE, also all small factors (like a lot of bikes on the roof of the following car), testing etc. It's all better in the Jumbo team and in TT's that has the most influence. Also it was a TT in the 3th week which favors Vingegaard, Vingegaard seems to recover better than all other riders which makes him the most dangerous GC guy. In top form he is a top 10 TT rider and in the 3th week I think only Evenepoel, Ganna en Pogacar can challenge him in a TT, he proved this 2 years in a row now. So that he won is not that shocking to me (I even predicted him as stage winner in a TdF poule), but I agree the difference was insane and hard to believe.

And do I think Vingegaard can become WC ITT champion? Yes absolutely, just like Roglic could win the Olympic TT. But not a flat one against Ganna/Evenepoel. A technical one with climbing in it he can win in peak form.

And to see 3 guys on a podium in a GT is weird yes. But normally Remco would've been between them, and Pogacar wasn't there. The other riders are simply not on the level of Roglic and Vingegaard. Kuss was a surprise, escpecially in his 3th! grand tour, that he could climb with the best was known. But his Vuelta win was a big surprise for me. But yeah, I do think it's believable. Maybe I'm wrong, time will tell, but for know I don't see reason to not trust that team.

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Re: WCS 2023
« Reply #327 on: September 30, 2023, 03:22:51 PM »
  Mohorič wins stage 4. New GC leader is Sheffield, but the GC is still very close.

CFF League stage 4 winner = ophiuko  8)
Vos is still the GC leader with 2 more stages to go.

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Re: WCS 2023
« Reply #328 on: October 01, 2023, 02:54:14 AM »
  Syritsa wins stage 8. Final GC = 1st Carr 0:00", 2nd Cepeda 0:49", 3rd Castrillo 0:58"

CFF League stage 8 winner = ophiuko  8)

GC winner = ophiuko  8)
ophiuko wins also the sprint jersey.
Vos wins the mountain jersey.
Mitte wins the youth jersey.

  Aular wins stage 5 and takes the GC lead.

CFF League stage 5 winner = Mitte  8)
Vos is still the GC leader with 1 more stage to go.

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Re: WCS 2023
« Reply #329 on: October 01, 2023, 11:19:36 AM »
It seems like WCS organisers are on holidays these days. They have included only 1 of the 15 ProSeries classics programmed for September and October, giving me zero chance to come back in the Chief of Classics Trophy because only 2 classics programmed (Lombardia and Paris-Tours)  :'( Hopefully I will have chances for the Divine Champions Trophy