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Re: Transfer List
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2021, 08:25:18 PM »
Jokes apart, my two cents:
  • Market is really, really dead. Almost no riders for sale... not even talking about "special" riders. Those are unicorns
Unicorn spotted:



Espen Valgren   Age : 30   Wage : 5672
Stamina : 80   Sprint : 79   Climbing : 93
Flat : 79   Cobblestone : 62   Technique : 79
Downhill : 79   Hills : 86   Aggressiveness : 65
Time Trial : 59   Teamwork : 20   Experience : 96
Price : 50 000 000   Days left : 3

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Re: Transfer List
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2021, 10:43:25 PM »
Jokes apart, my two cents:
  • Market is really, really dead. Almost no riders for sale... not even talking about "special" riders. Those are unicorns
Unicorn spotted:



Espen Valgren   Age : 30   Wage : 5672
Stamina : 80   Sprint : 79   Climbing : 93
Flat : 79   Cobblestone : 62   Technique : 79
Downhill : 79   Hills : 86   Aggressiveness : 65
Time Trial : 59   Teamwork : 20   Experience : 96
Price : 50 000 000   Days left : 3

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Re: Transfer List
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2021, 08:26:02 AM »
Very nice rider. And number one tour rider but at the same time a good example of what is wrong with the transferlist. 

50mil is an asking price is way to high in my opinion and giving a wrong idea to new managers that those prices are normal. And if you wait long enough someone will pay it. Obviously more managers thought 50mil is to much because he is sold for 35mil.

I did not follow it if valgren was on the transferlist for three days and then changed or that he was just there as an example and from the moment someone gave a nice offer the price changed.

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Re: Transfer List
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2021, 09:04:31 AM »
Valgren is the #1 tour rider in the Dreamteam, I have no problem at all with him being listed for 50 mln or more. Also, he was listed just twice, not 10 times.

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Re: Transfer List
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2021, 10:40:59 AM »
Good to see that Ricoo already reacted, because Valgren is for sure not a good example why Ricoo initiated this topic.

Valgren is a good example that for the very few "gems" in this game the market-concept of supply and demand counts.
And a good example that what he is "worth" is subjective, and a different amount to everyone.

For example ;
In my current situation Valgren is to me not "worth" 35M or 50M, despite he is the number 1 DT tour.
If my team was battling for the 1A championship, and if he is the missing link to achieve that, and if I had the money :
then he is "worth" to me more than 50M. And I will bid even more than he is "worth" to me, in case the rivals bid too.

This example can be a "game-philosophy/strategy-issue" because everyone plays this game differently.
A manager can think that my example is a bad buy, especially when I sold him the next season for 7M, he sees it just as a many millions loss.
But another manager (who has more my game-philosophy/game-approach) can think it is an excellent buy despite the many millions loss,
because the real profit was the 1A championship.
What to most managers is almost priceless, and the reason a smart seller uses a market-price-strategy in the way Valgren was sold now.

To me a high price ( and even a way too high price ) for the few "gems" in this game is normal,
but to some others it can be not normal because they play this game with a different game-philosophy,
and I would probably disagree many times with what they think are "normal" prices and what a cyclist should be "worth".
Again, these are subjective issues and to everyone different.
I'm often surprised by many transfers I notice, and in both ways ; sold for way too much, and sold for way too less, in "my opinion".

This topic was initiated because of "just" good cyclists who are clearly overpriced and many times on the transfermarket.
The few good "gems" in this game are not good examples for a "wrong transfermarket", and they will go gor exceptional prices.
In a previous post Valgren is even called as unicorn spotted, what already says enough that this is not a good example.

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Re: Transfer List
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2021, 11:20:42 AM »
This topic was initiated because of "just" good cyclists who are clearly overpriced and many times on the transfermarket.
This makes it almost* look like that only an unexperienced manager will buy such a cyclist for way too much money.
*almost = because sometimes it is hard to estimate this,
and there can be rare exceptions that even an experienced manager can buy such a clearly overpriced cyclist, to him he can be "worth" it.

So for a huge part I agree with that it almost looks like a "trap" to unexperienced managers.
Although personally I don't mind to see such cyclists on the tranfermarket many times.

Also a solution can be that unexperienced managers get better support to prevent they go all in with their money on a very bad buy.
They can use better support anyway, due to the many big mistakes I see with the bad free riders choices.
Maybe an extra warning text on their team page for the first months, including a warning for the transfermarket,
and/or advice to consult an experienced manager first before hiring free riders ánd many millions buys.

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Re: Transfer List
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2021, 12:00:10 PM »
Well you'd expect new players to ask the manager they've selected to be their helper these questions, but they don't (I've found that I've normally initiated conversation & they don't).

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Re: Transfer List
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2021, 03:33:16 PM »
Still I do not agree as valgren as a gem but with 50mil most of the time overpriced as vos said.

It is normal for the manager to hope and ask for 50mil if another manager needs Valgren but that is not what the transfermarket is for.
Now it was done correct, the price was lowered.

But for this purpose there was the ‘available to buy’ market. Put a rider on it so other managers know, if I want him I can pay this amount or there is an option to negotiate.