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We're coming up towards the end of an era, the winds of change are marching. Why not make a change yourself, like Zatarra last season & TeaMetal this season, and join us Down Under.
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Our seasonal table of best Aussie cyclists plus up & coming cyclists will be posted shortly, but first, welcome TeaMetal & anybody else who joins us this season; I trust the motel quarantine has been up to standard, and we get to see you competing under the Southern Cross on Monday.
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"Hi, I am the special welcome to Australia gift to Horace_vr ( TeaMetal )"
"I will be your special gift too when you also use the change nations WC card" :-*
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Climbing TT!!!
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AUSTRALIAN NT - Season 12
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Tour De Wine : Clara Valley - Barossa Valley - McLaren Vale : South Australia
Welcome to season 12. With Vos having secured himself at the top of CFF's elite NT managers, it's now my job to attempt to repeat his championship winning achievements. We're aided in this by the first climbing-TT NT race (where we have two top tier cyclists), along with the flat-TT & flat-cobbles.
Three races with great prospects, but first several races where we seek to over-perform, decent points to two of these (most likely hills & sprint), would help put at least one hand on back to back NT titles.
Current Australian cyclist rankings below.
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Just a quick look at how close the flat-TT statistics are (see attachment). Note, the stats will be a bit different by NT race 4, Workman will leap to 10th on Monday, and then my team will be switching to TT training, where my cyclists have room to grow.
Btw: For my own team, I'm seeking 19 year old Aussie TTers.
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Good to see Jasper and Steve Odom in the tops. I'm happy because of Steve is training very well, and he has "low" stamina, that is something that I'm going to start training soon, so he can improve a lot with that.
Steve Odom Age : 24 Wage : 586
Stamina : 67 Sprint : 10 Climbing : 18
Flat : 97 Cobblestone : 43 Technique : 98
Downhill : 51 Hills : 9 Aggressiveness : 9
Time Trial : 100 Teamwork : 68 Experience : 44
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Was looking at a comparison with my TTers at age 24, and Ben Mitchum at the same age was 93.69. Of course Mitchum would have had around 96-97 TT at that point in time, and Steve Odom will statistically drop around 0.44av at 1am Monday (as will Iverson & Morrison), but it's a useful comparison.
Anyway.
Race 1 (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/viento2.jpg)
(https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/etapas/calta.jpg)
Selections :
Austin Burton 30 Facha_Bartolo (leader?)
Vinnie Coleman 29 galegospolabici (?)
Royce Henderson 30 Handest.
John Jones 30 CC_Porco_Jones. (free role?)
Stu Beal 30 $Tourmalet.
Tyler Walker 30 NervionBike
Steve Owens 30 FrançaiseDesJeux
Dudley Judd 24 Telleriarte
Gerard Shields 23 Quickstepbronx
Results:
27 John Jones 30 0: 29"
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Thank you for the welcome wishes! Yes, the motel quarantine was fine (as long as there is Internet connection, I won't complain). Looking forward to receiving my welcome gift after the quarantine 8)
And the first blunder of the season: does not make any sense to promote a rider after the last race of the past season: you will lose the first promotion of the next season... Lesson learned
Let the Golden Future of Australian Cobble-Hillers (GFoACH) begin!
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"Hi, I am the special welcome to Australia gift to Horace_vr ( TeaMetal )"
"I will be your special gift too when you also use the change nations WC card" :-*
Erm... maybe my memory is bad, but I can't remember receiving a gift like that last season? :'(
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Yes, sorry, she wanted to play billiard with me first, and you were too drunk anyway on your Australian welcome barbeque to handle her. :P
But of course, you too deserve a special welcome to Australia gift, in fact, she is a super special gift as you can see.
If you hear the doorbell in a few minutes, that is her. Enjoy ! :-* :))
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Jasper is a silver flat sprinter since today... 8) 8)
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Jasper is a silver flat sprinter since today... 8) 8)
Very nice Franky ! 8)
And what a sacrifices I make for Australia, to make space in my team to have at least one free place to recruit/scout ;
I even fired my silver hill sprinter who had TC bonus for the upcoming MSR and with the right tactics could score a few points.
Almost a week ago I bought him for just 3k, together with TC costs and firing costs it is not financial disaster.
And I assume these missed points will not cause that my team relegates this season.
Difficult game with difficult choices sometimes, well, at least I have now 6 possibillities to score a good 19yo instead of zero possibillities.
Let's hope I'm a bit lucky, so this choice to fire my MSR sprinter will be a "responsible" choice, and good for the future of Australia. :)
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hey, Aurora, are we going to have any UnderSomething ranks? ::)
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hey, Aurora, are we going to have any UnderSomething ranks? ::)
Absolutely. It'll be better to look at than the next race's prospects.
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AUSTRALIAN u24 - Cyclists to note
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@AA: there are separate rankings for Sprint-Cobblers, Hill-Cobblers, and also Cobblers...? What kind of races are "pure" Cobblestones ?
P.S.: When did you pull the 19yo data ? Are my 2 young Aussies that bad in Cobb-Hills that they are not even worth mentioning ? :D
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@AA: there are separate rankings for Sprint-Cobblers, Hill-Cobblers, and also Cobblers...? What kind of races are "pure" Cobblestones ?
P.S.: When did you pull the 19yo data ? Are my 2 young Aussies that bad in Cobb-Hills that they are not even worth mentioning ? :D
It's the U24 listing, so u19s mightn't be in the listing depending on how many older decent talents there are. And full cobblers are races with at least 3-4 cobble sections ending in cobbles (sprint-cobbles are 2 cobbles ending in sprint).
Btw: COBBLERS
# Score Name Age Team
1 63.61 Julian Power 20 LosTxinosKudeiros
4 55.38 Justin Jameson 19 Zatarra
10 50.81 Nate Filsbourne 19 Frenkie
12 49.45 Brad Lindsay 19 Artxube
13 48.10 Todd Teinert 19 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
15 47.95 Marc Ashley 19 TeaMetal
HILL-COBBLERS:
# Score Name Age Team
1 53.62 Herbie Ashley 20 Flyvende_hjul
8 49.65 Mark Whisman 19 NervionBike
9 49.59 Dave Springsteen 19 Frenkie
10 49.21 Tim Williams 19 SPORTLIFE
13 48.22 Nate Filsbourne 19 Frenkie
14 47.75 Bruce Iverson 19 Artxube
15 47.53 Billy Winger 19 TeaMetal
Full U21 listing will come in a few days. Btw, I believe you can pull better 19 year old cobblers.
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@AA: there are separate rankings for Sprint-Cobblers, Hill-Cobblers, and also Cobblers...? What kind of races are "pure" Cobblestones ?
P.S.: When did you pull the 19yo data ? Are my 2 young Aussies that bad in Cobb-Hills that they are not even worth mentioning ? :D
It's the U24 listing, so u19s mightn't be in the listing depending on how many older decent talents there are. And full cobblers are races with at least 3-4 cobble sections ending in cobbles (sprint-cobbles are 2 cobbles ending in sprint).
Full U21 listing will come in a few days. Btw, I believe you can pull better 19 year old cobblers.
Thanks for the explanation; and yes, working on pulling better guys :D
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Race 2
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Selections :
Anthony Garza 30 SaulSalinasTeam
Daniel Lucas 30 SAGASAI
Scott Springsteen 30 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
Colin Mount 25 Sacido (leader)
Ryan Henderson 25 FrançaiseDesJeux
Jason Furey 23 PDM_cycling_team
Trevor Winger 29 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
Keith Hunter 22 catapunchimpon
Danny Carpenter 21 los_leones_del_sur
I was going to select 22yo TTer Julian Frances, but zero experience meant no selection, and several others not being trained correctly. So decided as my 9th selection to give Trevor Winger another chance to be a backup domestique. Hunter & Carpenter were already selected for experience value.
Results:
11th Colin Mount 25 0: 38" 110 Sacido
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Daniel Lucas 30 SAGASAI (leader?)
Daniel Lucas should not be the leader, AA, he is just a silver 8 star pure climber and not good enough.
Maybe the just 126km of this NT race gives him a (in my opinion) misleading high GV.
It seems to me you have a few better options as teamcaptain in this race, although and of course, I cannot see the stats anymore.
So I could be wrong. And maybe my experiences in the past 2 seasons are misleading.
But maybe I could be right about estimating mountain races.
we have a chance to sneak into the points.
With a better teamcaptain for sure a chance to sneak into the points, but it can be difficult to achieve, there are many better foreign climbers.
The previews of the 2 pure mountain races in seasons 10 and 11 could be interesting :
( of course there are big differences, for example in s10 the race was twice as long ).
(https://i.imgur.com/bi7XdWp.jpg?1) AUSTRALIA NT : SEASON 10 PREVIEW
race 2 (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/francia.jpg)(https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/italia.jpg) Sestriere ; mountains
Australia is not good in the mountains. For example two seasons ago a 16th place in a pure mountain race.
But back in season 6 there was a very surprising good 8th place in this exact same race.
However, this is a rare exception, and the only time in a mountain race that an Australian finished in the top10.
prediction = 80 points
RACE PREVIEW =
https://cyclingforfun.org/smf/index.php?topic=632.msg21562#msg21562
RACE AFTERVIEW =
https://cyclingforfun.org/smf/index.php?topic=632.msg21647#msg21647
(https://i.imgur.com/bi7XdWp.jpg?1) AUSTRALIA NT : SEASON 11 PREVIEW
race 2 (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/spain.jpg) Bola del Mundo ; mountains
Normally no points because Australia does not even have a golden pure climber.
At the moment I wrote this, I must have overlooked the 2 climbers who just had their 24th birthday.
And I just looked at the golden climbers ranking, and a comment about this later in this post.
First it is interesting to see the race preview and race afterview of the pure climb NT race of season 11.
RACE PREVIEW =
https://cyclingforfun.org/smf/index.php?topic=656.msg22596#msg22596
RACE AFTERVIEWS =
https://cyclingforfun.org/smf/index.php?topic=656.msg22645#msg22645
https://cyclingforfun.org/smf/index.php?topic=656.msg22655#msg22655
Let's highlight a part of the second afterview, to compare it with the current situation :
But what is a better indication than this NT race, that is the golden ranking :
nr 184 = Mount, and nr 195 = R.Henderson.
To me that is too low, although we are Down Under of course happy that we have finally golden pure climbers after 10 seasons. :)
I suspect the 22yo Furey will be the Australian future teamcaptain in pure mountain races.
He is not in the u23 DT, no top climber also, but I estimate he will be gold in pure climb and ranked higher than Mount and R.Henderson.
Anyway, the future in pure mountain races looks brighter than the past with these 3 young golden pure climbers.
But still it is better for Australia if there is some flat and/or hills in a mountain NT race.
At the moment Australia has 3 pure climbers in the golden ranking :
( that they are lower ranked as previous season does not say anything, because the ranking also includes many hillsclimbers and many flatclimbers. )
nr 231 = R.Henderson
nr 264 = Mount
nr 328 = Furey ( 23yo ! )
About Furey, a week later (or so) than my quoted text, he came into the u23 DT. At the end of the season he moved up to the 5th place(or so).
Anyway, my prediction in the quoted text that he will be the future pure mountain teamcaptain seems to come true.
As you can see in my NT race season 11 preview ; I did not even select Daniel Lucas.
He was just the nr5 (or nr4) in my estimated GV percentages and I'm 99% sure his team was not active at that time.
Just the first few races of season 11 his team was active, and I saw that very late in that season that team became active again.
And that team is still active right now.
But at that time not active, and I rather select other cyclists than a low GV silver helper of an in-active team.
Besides this, the one who was just one GV place behind him, had 2 active weather icons.
But also as you can see in my NT race season 10 preview ; Daniel Lucas was 2nd in my estimated GV percentages.
According to me the pure climb situation changed a lot, and even looking at the past and this I mentioned also in the race preview ;
Segovia, Spain ( 68km northwest of Madrid ),
Finally, for the first time Australia has golden pure climbers. Both are 24yo and on a very low position in the golden climb ranking.
And they are just a tiny little bit better than Garza, who was the teamcaptain in the NT mountain races of all previous seasons.
So, Daniel Lucas was never the teamcaptain for Australia, but I guess almost all seasons the nr2 in pure climb and he was always silver.
Garza does have gold, but that golden icon is for flat climb, on pure climb Garza never had gold, in my opinion.
By the way, Daniel Lucas was in my team since CFF 3 started and I sold him 14 months ago.
He can be a good helper and it seems to me you have better options as teamcaptain in this pure climb race of 126 km.
Your NT selection is perfect with the so far 6 selected climbers.
Australia has just these 6 climbers who are "suited" / can try to help in a pure climb race, other Australians are not good enough.
Good luck !
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One of the Australian NT super-TT-team, the 29yo Neill Bell, transfered from Aurora_Australis to SPORTLIFE today. 8)
Aurora-Australis did great on the transfermarket with buying the 19yo Australian supertop-TT-talent Nobby Licuria. Well done, AA.
With just 1 place in my team, my bid on Licuria was even 1,- more than my bid on Bell, but you were smart to bid more.
I guess I'm sponsoring your new youth team with my purchase. :)
But I'm happy with my new buy and to me a bargain, I did not expect to buy him for my bid. Maybe others overlooked he is 29yo, instead of 30yo.
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I'm surprised to hear that you bidded on Licuria. He wouldn't be worth anything reselling, because I'm the only established team buying 19 year old TTers. Btw: I only bid the amount I did because I want people to know that I'll pay a good price for top potentials so people will still promote Aussie TTers.
On Bell, his price probably suffered because of my other Aussie TTers. Given the prices being paid for other 29-30ers, it's a slight bargain, but still not unreasonable.
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AUSTRALIAN u21 - Cyclists to note
click on paperclip (attachment) to view. Btw there's 95 u21 cyclists at the moment.
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It seems I made many impuls bids yesterday, not really thought-out and often I surprise myself too on the transfermarket. ;)
Luckily I could buy just one, because I had just 2 places and the scouted 19yo comes first.
Well, now I have one TT cyclist too many and both are just as good. Not really smart in this season with just a few TT stages.
But fun to have (maybe temporarily) a second Aussie in my team. :)
About my high bid on a very good 19yo toptalent, I do that more often and in all kinds of specialties.
Almost always not the highest bid, just bidding along and gamble I will be lucky.
And often not to resell, but as training project, although that will depend on the talent rating also.
Anyway, good he is in your team, because I still have my project of a 23yo climber this season (although he trains stamina right now).
I guess I was one season too soon to try to start another project / or what was also an option in this specific case ;
sell him to you with a netto profit of 1,4 million, because you proved to pay more for him than my bid was.
Thanks for the u21 lists ! 8)
I see you pulled John Friess, who has the same high GV as your new buy Nobby Licuria.
Your TT youth team looks already very promising, what can be great for the future of Australia. :)
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Hopefully one of them will have good talent (it makes a difference). Btw, if you had purchased him, I wouldn't have brought him on a resell, which would have meant a 6mill loss to you because nobody else is buying 19 year old TTers this season, and unless you're specialising in TT, he would have had zero value in a season's time (not that money means that much after 12 seasons).
On today's race, as always, I recheck & refine my selections after the 7am Sunday training session, and it's either Colin Mount or Anthony Garza who'll be leader (neither would be gold in pure climber either). May have one more young climber (21 yo), or select young cyclists from other specialities.
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If I buy him for 6M it is a loss of 6M ? ??? ( and if you buy him for 8M it is a good buy ? ??? ) Good joke. :))
Sell him to me for 6M, I will prove you are wrong, I like him a lot.
My bid was a good financial investment and / or a good investment in future results.
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Depends on what you would have done with him Vos. But anyway, I need to go to sleep.
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11º Colin Mount
Excellent result and most likely the 2nd best Australian result ever in a pure mountain race. Very well done, AA ! 8)
Very nice that Australia can score a good amount of points with a climber, probably very needed points at the end of this season.
Next week another similar challenge for you as in the past 2 NT races,
because also in the upcoming sprint race it can be zero points or at best 11th or so when the tactics go very well compared to the rivals.
Good luck AA !
Fun to see that my Miorlin (ITA) finished on the podium. :)
Also an excellent job of the Italian NT manager, because 9 stars Miorlin (never had 10 stars) is the nr 264 in the golden climbers ranking.
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Well I wasn't repeating my mistake from the first race Vos. Next week will again be heavy weather, however we can try for a surprise and send a few behind the times along the way. But first:
AUSTRALIAN u20 - Cyclists to note
Fifty-six 19 year olds at time I collected the info. Click on paperclip (attachment) to view.
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Race 3 (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/nieve.jpg)
(https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/etapas/montreux.jpg)
Selections :
David Dixon 30 LosTxinosKudeiros
Derek Nelson 30 Yvo_Meppelink_ProCycling (leader)
Tony Carter 30 HorsCategorieProTeam
Ryan Pierre 25 Shiro_Lions
Gerard Shields 23 Quickstepbronx
Jasper Blair 22 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
Keith Hunter 22 catapunchimpon
Tim Malone 22 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
Wilt Frances 22 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
Results:
8th Derek Nelson 0: 00" 140 points
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It doesn't happen to me very often, but I think I've hit the motherload:
Marc Huling Age : 19 Wage : 855
Stamina : 69 Sprint : 27 Climbing : 0
Flat : 58 Cobblestone : 56 Technique : 72
Downhill : 33 Hills : 64 Aggressiveness : 56
Time Trial : 6 Teamwork : 8 Experience : 0
The only problem is that he doesn't really fit my schedule (flat - technique - stamina) and only benefits from the flat training at first. It will give me the opportunity to figure out his talent rating, but I'm really struggling now with what to do with him. He's such a diamond.
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Very nice one, Zatarra. :)
I'm sure the Australian TeaMetal of Horace will be very interested, he tries to start up a 19yo ( Australian ) cobblehills team.
And I estimate Huling is (much) better than his best 19yo.
Of course, this is just a remark, understandable if you keep and train Huling yourself.
Thanks for the 19yo's lists, Aurora Australis ! 8)
Unfortunately, I had to fire the best hillsclimber of that list.
In my opinion he was good, but not very good and missing out potential, and my team was full what was the main reason to fire him.
So I could recruit another 19yo hillsclimber with a higher GV and also much more potential ( good flat as extra, + some TT as extra ).
Gilbert Fagan is for sale for just 1,- and he has some bids :
https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/vision.php?ciclistaid=104479
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Race 3 (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/nieve.jpg)
(https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/etapas/montreux.jpg)
Selections :
Derek Nelson 30 Yvo_Meppelink_ProCycling (leader?)
Tony Carter 30 HorsCategorieProTeam
Ryan Pierre 25 Shiro_Lions
Jasper Blair 22 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
Five more to be selected, possible for experience.
Results:
About your questionmark ;
I know that 2 seasons ago Derek Nelson was the best flat sprinter of Australia, in previous season 11 there was no NT flat sprint race.
In the current CFF ranking of golden sprinters ; nr 107 Derek Nelson and nr 169 Tony Carter.
I see you have completed your NT selection. Good luck this evening, AA !
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8º Derek Nelson
Excellent sprint result, AA, well done !
Next week the time trial, and just one weather icon is active ; sun.
I guess that is good for Australia, but you as super TT expert can estimate this better, AA. Already good luck with your amazing TT specialists.
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About your questionmark ;
I know that 2 seasons ago Derek Nelson was the best flat sprinter of Australia, in previous season 11 there was no NT flat sprint race.
In the current CFF ranking of golden sprinters ; nr 107 Derek Nelson and nr 169 Tony Carter.
I see you have completed your NT selection. Good luck this evening, AA !
Nelson did a wonderful job - again. I can remember that any of previous NT coaches of Australia, commented on his lack of stamina. His trainings in this field have resulted in significant improvement of his capabilities.
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Well, hello Markus! Nice to see you 8)
Markus Benett Age : 19 Wage : 823
Stamina : 65 Sprint : 61 Climbing : 1
Flat : 65 Cobblestone : 8 Technique : 53
Downhill : 4 Hills : 27 Aggressiveness : 50
Time Trial : 67 Teamwork : 16 Experience : 0
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Nelson did a wonderful job - again. I can remember that any of previous NT coaches of Australia, commented on his lack of stamina. His trainings in this field have resulted in significant improvement of his capabilities.
Better than expected, getting into any points was my goal. My own Aksel Myklebust was only one spot above, and he's around 2av better according to my calculations.
FIO, you guys are making my coin purse very light :)
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Race 4 (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/sol.jpg)
(https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/etapas/tarragonatt.jpg)
Selections :
Ben Mitchum 30 Aurora_Australis
Isaac Trump 30 Aurora_Australis
Owen Acree 30 Aurora_Australis
Richard Levin 30 Aurora_Australis
Christian Pinkney 29 Aurora_Australis
Neil Bell 29 SPORTLIFE
Paul Clickett 29 Aurora_Australis
Results:
Position Name Country Age Time behind Points
1st Isaac Trump 30 0: 00" 300
3rd Richard Levin 30 0: 03" 225
8th Paul Clickett 29 0: 11" 140
12th Ben Mitchum 30 0: 12" 100
21st Christian Pinkney 29 0: 17" 0
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Final choices, the hot weather makes it even harder. Here's the basic TT stats of the yet to be selected as of 1am game time, not taking into account length of race or weather.
# Score Name Age Team
1 95.16 David Wilson 28 Facha_Bartolo
2 94.49 Kirk Workman 24 Aurora_Australis (has everything but hot weather)
3 94.22 Jim Slipper 30 Blanes
4 94.16 George Bookout 30 Liberty_Sansaloni
5 93.98* Charles Iverson 24 Spitz
6 93.94 Angel Morrison 25 Frenkie
7 93.90* Cameron Carter 28 Antequera
8 93.79 Chris Montgomery 28 Frenkie
9 93.78* Dean Shields 25 Aurora_Australis
10 93.76 Peter Coleman 25 Frenkie
11 93.74 Gilbert Byers 26 TeamSalpeter
12 93.65 Steve Odom 24 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
13 93.60 Arthur Marbley 28 Lemosteam
14 93.58 Dan Malone 29 KASTORAMA
15 93.34 Mark Friend 25 Aurora_Australis
16 93.32 Fergus Mayne 25 Kalarratas
* hot weather bonus
Nothing to be decided until Sunday, and exact calculations to be made. At least five cyclists can argue that they're the rightful pick for the race (I'm thinking Workman misses out - but wait until Sunday).
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I would choose guys who need exp, as probably those ones are not going to get points...look to the future.
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It is a different situation, Franky, on a lucky day some (or even many) not yet selected TT-specialists can score points too.
I had the same situation as AA the past 2 seasons ; easy to make the main TT selection, but difficult to select the last few.
I gave xp to promising u24 TT specialists in other NT races,
because there was no space in the time trial. But enough space for them in for example a cobblehills NT race.
I suspect AA looks at the estimated GV (including now just 25km), active weather icon and experience more than promising for the future.
For example my TT selections of the past 2 seasons, and as last few selected I had some options and I had to make choices.
I wrote the results of the few last selected in the afterview, and on a lucky day they (and some not even selected) could score points ;
season 11 ( 38km ) preview = https://cyclingforfun.org/smf/index.php?topic=656.msg22949#msg22949
season 11 afterview = https://cyclingforfun.org/smf/index.php?topic=656.msg23019#msg23019
season 10 ( 31km ) preview = https://cyclingforfun.org/smf/index.php?topic=632.msg21905#msg21905
season 10 afterview = https://cyclingforfun.org/smf/index.php?topic=632.msg21948#msg21948
Most likely the TT situation changed compared to the previous 2 seasons, but I assume AA tries to score as much points as possible instead of giving xp to one of the many promising Australian TT specialists.
I selected them as xp cyclists in other NT races, Australia is simply to good in the flat time trial to give cyclists an xp place.
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Last two selections are two guys with the hot weather bonus
Charles Iverson 24 Spitz
Cameron Carter 28 Antequera
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8* Jasper Blair, 22yo :) :)
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(https://i.imgur.com/2KJp4DT.jpeg)
8* Jasper Blair, 22yo :) :)
8)
Something else ;
About NT race 4, the time trial of just 25km ; no reaction, Aurora Australis ?
Not many points, just 25 points more than the very unfortunate (4x mechanical breakdowns) time trial of previous season.
But again a NT victory of Isaac Trump. 8)
That is for sure worth mentioning. And also that Australia is 1st in the season ranking now. :)
This was the 10th NT race victory ever, and Australia moved up to 2nd place in the medal table of NT race victories :
1. the Netherlands (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/gold.jpg)= 10, (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/silver.jpg)= 7
2. Australia (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/gold.jpg)= 10, (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/silver.jpg)= 5
3. Spain (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/gold.jpg)= 10, (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/silver.jpg)= 3
In the TOP MANAGERS II ranking Aurora Australis moved up to the 2nd place with this NT race victory.
TeamEuroscalt ( Norway ) and Denver ( Belgium ) have also 4 NT race victories, but TeamEuroscalt has 4x silver and Aurora Australis 2x silver.
Both are NT managers this season (only Denver is not), so maybe a fun battle who is the nr 1 at the end of this season.
AA has a chance with Angus Friend in NT race 7, although his best result was 3rd in the only pure NT cobble race ever (s11).
And maybe also a chance in NT race 6 with Oscar Smith ( SPORTLIFE :) ) if his very low xp does not affect the result too much.
Of course also good to mention ; since previous season, Australia is 1st in the more important medal table of NT season results :
1. Australia (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/gold.jpg)= 3, (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/silver.jpg)= 2, (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/bronce.jpg)= 3
2. Spain (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/gold.jpg)= 3, and no silver and no bronze
3. Belgium (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/gold.jpg)= 2, and no silver and no bronze
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Isaac Trump is again on hand to deny the win to any other nation in the TT NT race. Between Trump (3) & Levin (4), it should make seven straight TT NT wins for Australia.
Results:
Position Name Country Age Time behind Points
1st Isaac Trump 30 0: 00" 300
3rd Richard Levin 30 0: 03" 225
8th Paul Clickett 29 0: 11" 140
12th Ben Mitchum 30 0: 12" 100
21st Christian Pinkney 29 0: 17" 0
What it takes to be Australia's & CFFs best TTers
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AUSTRALIAN u21 - Cyclists to note
Anyway, as nobody in Australia will be looking forward to this Sunday's NT race, let's see who is the best of the 110 Aussie u21 cyclists currently (see attachment).
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What it takes to be Australia's & CFFs best TTers
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OMFG :o
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Race 5 (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/sol.jpg)
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Selections :
Grant Curry 30 BLOEMENAANDEMITTE
Kirk Trump 30 $Tourmalet (leader)
Alex Byers 29 Fountain
Keith Sheehan 29 Sabmazz
Gerard Shields 23 Quickstepbronx
Keith Hunter 22 catapunchimpon
Final three to be good young prospects who haven't had many NT races yet.
Results:
Position Name Country Age Time behind Points
37th Keith Sheehan 29 0: 46"
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Race 6 (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/viento1.jpg) (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/nieve.jpg)
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Selections :
Leroy Benett 30 Pitisitos
Oscar Smith 25 SPORTLIFE
Not much hope for any other points scorers, so loads of experience up for grabs, particularly for those with few NT races but trained/raced well by managers.
Results:
Position Name Country Age Time behind Points
2nd Oscar Smith 25 0: 01" 250 SPORTLIFE
10th Leroy Benett 30 0: 12" 120 Pitisitos
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While we're here, here's some considerations for the remaining 7 spots
CLIMB-TTers
# Score Name Age Team
1 94.59 Oscar Smith 25 SPORTLIFE (picked)
2 93.61 Leroy Benett 30 Pitisitos (picked)
3 88.25 Walt Logsdon 28 RajenKujen (looks too low to have any chance at points)
4 88.04 Keith Hamsten 25 Matterhorn
5 86.13 Gordon Seaman 23 catapunchimpon
8 81.62 Isaac Olssen 22 GOAT (maxed stat, like really, use the u24 bonus to your advantage - plus just 2 exp)
16 76.56 Dave Gilbee 21 TipiCyclingTeam
20 74.22 Lenny Owen 20 La_Vie_Claire
23 73.05 Ben Clapton 20 Oska
25 70.67 Fenton Teinert 20 Team_Elrosportu
35 64.53 Christian Pocock 19 Aurora_Australis
36 64.03 Dominic Chapman 19 Aurora_Australis
FLAT-TTers
# Score Name Age Team
1 98.64 Richard Levin 30 Aurora_Australis (for comparison)
2 98.44 Isaac Trump 30 Aurora_Australis
3 97.76 Paul Clickett 29 Aurora_Australis
4 97.44 Christian Pinkney 29 Aurora_Australis
9 94.42 Kirk Workman 24 Aurora_Australis
11 94.21 Dean Shields 25 Aurora_Australis
13 94.01 Charles Iverson 24 BlackHole
21 90.81 Marcus McClure 23 Ciclokillers
22 89.04 Julian Frances 22 Nibbixwoud (no - at zero experience - why don't managers race them??)
28 78.18 Jason Duffy 20 Frenkie
29 77.53 Bud Mount 20 ChronoTony
30 75.85 Walt Judd 20 Frenkie
32 75.23 Larry Vaughn 20 Frenkie
33 74.68 Sam Hunter 20 Frenkie
39 72.16 Nobby Licuria 19 Aurora_Australis (around 40 odd days ahead of Duffy & Mount at same level - but was raced last week so unlikely)
41 71.40 John Friess 19 Aurora_Australis
44 68.05 Tod Henderson 19 Aurora_Australis
45 67.59 Kirk Clinton 19 Aurora_Australis
46 67.05 Markus Benett 19 Aurora_Australis
48 66.23 Christian Pocock 19 Aurora_Australis
Of course there might be one or two outside of TT completely.
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No Steve Odom or Kevin Duncan as options?? :-\
P.S: Well, Odom has plenty of exp, but not Kevin...and has 9* since today, with 23yo
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No Steve Odom or Kevin Duncan as options?? :-\
P.S: Well, Odom has plenty of exp, but not Kevin...and has 9* since today, with 23yo
Odom is slightly behind the others at a similar age (& no weather bonus to compensate - mind you it's all very close), and the generation behind is strong (TTers have been trained better than any other cyclist type); Kevin well I hadn't looked at the TT-Hillers yet, so it's unknown, but looking at the start of season stats 25yo Angel Morrison would be an added possibility. Jasper would be an option if I went outside of TT, but he's already got 8 NT races at such a young age.
HILL-TTers
# Score Name Age Team
1 88.89 Angel Morrison 25 Frenkie
2 87.48 Ben Mitchum 30 Aurora_Australis
3 87.25 Peter Coleman 25 Frenkie
9 84.67 Kevin Duncan 23 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
22 71.84 Walt Judd 20 Frenkie
23 70.51 Sam Hunter 20 Frenkie
24 68.09 Keith Brubaker 20 Frenkie
FLAT-TTers
85.76 Kevin Duncan 23 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
Btw: At the moment, Jason Duffy would be almost certain, maybe Lenny Owen &/or Ben Clapton (would look at actual stats), then choices are harder. I seriously can't see Walt Logsdon or Keith Hamsten having any chance at points, that would be the only reason to select them, and that would decide how many is left to select.
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No Steve Odom or Kevin Duncan as options?? :-\
P.S: Well, Odom has plenty of exp, but not Kevin...and has 9* since today, with 23yo
Odom is slightly behind the others at a similar age (& no weather bonus to compensate - mind you it's all very close), and the generation behind is strong (TTers have been trained better than any other cyclist type); Kevin well I hadn't looked at the TT-Hillers yet, so it's unknown, but looking at the start of season stats 25yo Angel Morrison would be an added possibility. Jasper would be an option if I went outside of TT, but he's already got 8 NT races at such a young age.
HILL-TTers
# Score Name Age Team
1 88.89 Angel Morrison 25 Frenkie
2 87.48 Ben Mitchum 30 Aurora_Australis
3 87.25 Peter Coleman 25 Frenkie
9 84.67 Kevin Duncan 23 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
22 71.84 Walt Judd 20 Frenkie
23 70.51 Sam Hunter 20 Frenkie
24 68.09 Keith Brubaker 20 Frenkie
FLAT-TTers
85.76 Kevin Duncan 23 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
Btw: At the moment, Jason Duffy would be almost certain, maybe Lenny Owen &/or Ben Clapton (would look at actual stats), then choices are harder. I seriously can't see Walt Logsdon or Keith Hamsten having any chance at points, that would be the only reason to select them, and that would decide how many is left to select.
Not bad Kevin, having 23, is the 9th in HILL-TTers, and is going to start training hills soon :D
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The final 7 selections are as follows.
Walt Logsdon 28 RajenKujen (Couldn't leave a 1% change of a miracle - likely wasted selection)
Kirk Workman 24 Aurora_Australis (The heir apparent to Australia's TT hopes until the 19-20 year olds mature)
Jason Duffy 20 Frenkie (top 20yo flat TTer)
Walt Judd 20 Frenkie (top 20yo hill TTer 3rd flat)
Christian Pocock 19 Aurora_Australis (top 10yo climb TTer)
Leroy Ablett 19 lasposturas (top u21 sprinter)
Tod Henderson 19 Aurora_Australis (with Licuria having raced, is next top flat-TTer)
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<23yo previously selected this season
x2 Keith Hunter 22 catapunchimpon
Wilt Frances 22 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
Tim Malone 22 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
Keith Hunter 22 catapunchimpon
Jasper Blair 22 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
Danny Carpenter 21 los_leones_del_sur
Norm Bush 20 Orange
Nobby Licuria 19 Aurora_Australis
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Not selected
74.38 Lenny Owen 20 La_Vie_Claire (Climb-TTer training issues)
73.61 Ben Clapton 20 Oska (other Climbers in team aren't TT, so Oska won't train TT next, meaning he will slip)
84.82(hill) Kevin Duncan 23 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team (still silver Hill-TTer - over 4AV below Morrison)
85.89(flat) Kevin Duncan 23 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team (long way behind)
88.89(hill) Angel Morrison 25 Frenkie (hill & flat TT - slightly unlucky not to get final spot, note 94.11flat)
87.42 Peter Coleman 25 Frenkie (hill TT)
89.14 Julian Frances 22 Nibbixwoud (flat TT - never been raced, no point giving exp in this situation - would have been selected otherwise)
77.74 Bud Mount 20 ChronoTony (flat TT, almost selected, maybe unlucky, just not quite our best)
68.50 Kirk Clinton 19 Aurora_Australis (two weather bonuses, maybe on edge of selection if not in my team - or maybe just off)
I believe that's all the possibilities mentioned.
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Is Denis Moore somewhere on your list or is his TT to low?
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Well it seems that we were never in the running for the championship. Results to be posted further up. Now to go for a hoped stage 7 win.
Is Denis Moore somewhere on your list or is his TT to low?
If you look on page one, he'll appear on one of these lists.
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2º Oscar Smith 0:01" :'(
Well, the victor (nr1 CFF ranking since today) had an active weather icon and he is most likely more experienced.
Hopefully next season another mountain TT as NT race, so I have a chance to win a NT race with one of my cyclists for the first time ever.
Although, for the world championship chances of Australia it is maybe not good there will be a mountain TT again, because Spain scored 640 points.
No candidates yet for next season. Who wants do this honorable and fun job ?
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If you look on page one, he'll appear on one of these lists.
Thnx! I was hoping he would be selected for the NT race last Sunday, but he's not nearly good enough.
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Another young aussie is joining Manicomicos
Jason Owens Age : 23 Wage : 815
Stamina : 83 Sprint : 16 Climbing : 100
Flat : 46 Cobblestone : 30 Technique : 86
Downhill : 88 Hills : 38 Aggressiveness : 51
Time Trial : 40 Teamwork : 46 Experience : 24
It was cheap, and most of my training can be good for him, now Stamina, then hills, a bit of flat, a bit of TW, a bit of Tech...maybe TT...
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That's an whole lot of training in just a few weeks. You know training ends with 24 😉 Good luck with Jason! I had to make room for a new generation, so i had to let him go
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That's an whole lot of training in just a few weeks. You know training ends with 24 😉 Good luck with Jason! I had to make room for a new generation, so i had to let him go
Well, I didnt say that I want train him those things in this season...thats my plan for coming seasons...Train doesnt ends at 24 btw, it is reduced a lot yes, but you can still improve your guys a bit.
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Race 7 (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/viento1.jpg) (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/sol.jpg)
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Selections :
Dylan Gilliam 30 Manicomicos_Cycling_Team
Eric Kelly 30 Antequera
Gary Dowden 30 Bikeos
Kent McClure 30 Yvo_Meppelink_ProCycling
Angus Friend 29 El_Viejo_Acordeón (leader)
Keith Hunter 22 catapunchimpon
Three more old guys to be selected
Results:
Position Name Country Age Time behind Points
1st Angus Friend 29 0: 00" 300 El_Viejo_Acordeón
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Oh my Friend! ;D
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Great victory with Friend ! Very well done, AA ! 8)
There are 7 cyclists the numbers 1 in the individual ranking, and it is uncertain who will get the world champion jersey of CFF.
2 Australian contenders among those 7 ; Trump and Friend. Let's hope there will be an Australian individual world champion.
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It'll go to whoever has had the most NT races, so it won't go to either Aussie.
Race 7 (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/viento1.jpg) (https://www.cyclingforfun.org/cff/imagenes/sol.jpg)
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1st Angus Friend 29 0: 00" 300 El_Viejo_Acordeón
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Season 12 ResultsAustralia - 1685 Points
Position 3rdTT 765 points : Climbs/TT 370 points : Paves 300 points : Sprint 140 points : Climb 110 points
Most Points : Race 4 TT - 765 points
Cyclists
300 Isaac Trump 30 Aurora_Australis 1*1st
300 Angus Friend 29 El_Viejo_Acordeón 1*1st
250 Oscar Smith 25 SPORTLIFE 1*2nd
225 Richard Levin 30 Aurora_Australis 1*3rd
140 Paul Clickett 29 Aurora_Australis
140 Derek Nelson 30 Yvo_Meppelink_ProCycling
120 Leroy Benett 30 Pitisitos
110 Colin Mount 25 Sacido
100 Ben Mitchum 30 Aurora_Australis