Season 9

[Rico]

And for all of u that have criticised Vos on the dutch forum, he was the only one that reminded the bug this time. Idk what personal issues happened there, but less hipocrisy cause this have exposed some.

Apart from me being dutch and Vos being dutch and both of us posting in this topic, I really see no connection between this stage and issues from the past on the dutch forum.

[Flandria23]

Vos had a true noble behaviour here when others not

So we can know each other inside out.

[tommyboonen]

People who knew about the bug and didnt say nothing for me have performed in a very creeping way.

I mean if you take advantage of a bug then your results dont deserve any respect and recognition for me.
I would have published the information before the race, even in a new topic if it was necessary.

I haven't words about this.

I lose the Vuelta with Leipheimer, I see "extrange" results in this stage, but what Vos says have all the sense.

Its all about "information". Its sad.

[WinterIsComing]

First, let's please not make this a discussion about nationalities, and connect this to things that happened in the past. That just doesn't make any sense.

Second, I Can imagine it feels unfair to managers who lose time. On the other hand, I feel you can't blame managers who take notes about stages from earlier seasons and adapt to it. Don't know if there were any reports about this stage last season? If so, than it's up to the programmer to fix the issue.

Third, we all play a free game. There are more important things in life to worry about. Let's please stay nice to each other.

Peace, out.

[Vos]

Still 5 more stages to go, and it is cycling, so still anyting can happen in the second half of this Vuelta.
Stages 7 + 9 + 10 seems to me stages where there could be big time differences, and possibly also between the top GC riders.
And maybe the same for the upcoming hills stage 6 and/or cobble-sprint stage 8.

TOP 20 GC Vuelta after 5 stages :

1Anthony Hilton   27   CaptainOrange   0: 00"   
2    Rick Borgers   27   ChronoTony   0: 39"   
3    Antonello Lorenzetto   27   Marcatone_Due   1: 09"   
4    Alexander Rusakov   27   Flyvende_hjul   1: 16"   
5    Ryan Leipheimer   27   Wiggo_pupils   1: 16"   
6    Mannie Collins   26   Cabrasverdes   1: 20"   
7    Javier Marin   27   ProdopingPong   2: 10"   
8    Adam Roethlisberger   27   Atlantico   2: 16"   
9    Sam Lee   27   $Tourmalet   2: 18"   
10    Darvin Norwood   27   skunk   2: 18"   
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
11    Les Winger   27   FaltososDeChigre   2: 27"   
12    Michel Hvid   27   WinterIsComing   2: 50"   
13    Leon Vonk   26   MarvelProCycling    2: 54"   
14    Hartwig Adenauer   27   cave   3: 02"   
15    Jacopo Palandrani   27   galegospolabici   3: 13"   
16    Per Aadland   26   Wizards   3: 16"   
17    Mark Jefferson   27   ProCyclingTeam10   3: 25"   
18    Vladimirs Kreilis   27   Atlantico   3: 25"   
19    Ramon VanDerGoor   27   Wiggo_pupils   3: 40"   
20    Cipriano Luna   27   TeamRHB   3: 43"   

Nothing is lost or won yet, and good luck to all the managers in (ánd just outside) this current TOP 20 GC !
And keep in mind ; enjoy it while you still can, 
because I'm gonna buy an amazing cobblehills-sprinter so he will win next season's Vuelta with a lead of many minutes to the nr2 GC.

[tommyboonen]

First, let's please not make this a discussion about nationalities, and connect this to things that happened in the past. That just doesn't make any sense.

Second, I Can imagine it feels unfair to managers who lose time. On the other hand, I feel you can't blame managers who take notes about stages from earlier seasons and adapt to it. Don't know if there were any reports about this stage last season? If so, than it's up to the programmer to fix the issue.

Third, we all play a free game. There are more important things in life to worry about. Let's please stay nice to each other.

Peace, out.

I'm sorry my friend, I agree on your message but I dont agree with second point. One thing its take notes about cut points in one stage, or wind importance, etc. But this is a possibly game BUG. Its not the same thing to me.

If you think about the possibility of a bug, its different that taking notes about the form that the game works. Bug=bad for the game, and if you thing it, you should inform about it, not only take notes for the next seasons. Its important because it raises doubts about other stages...

[Flandria23]

I've check all 5 pages on The Search including 'bug' and there's any info or report of this stage Bug, apart from Vos post. On Discord Chat either.

If managers who knew that didnt report to Oska, that's not taking notes, it's literally cheating. Rules are clear about that.

[WinterIsComing]

I think Osca has to confirm wether it's a bug or not.
If so, maybe best solution is to fix it and re-race, or replace it for another cobble stage?

 

[Combuijs]

I think you are all taking this too hard.

First of all it's not sure it is a bug, it can be some quirky circumstances. Vos has noticed it previous time and mentioned it. He suspected it was a bug, but was not sure. I think we have now a possible confirmation something is wrong with this stage. But again we can't be sure, this could be a case of self-fulfilling prophecy. Some manages swap their energies for certain sections, and this can seriously influence the race.

I think the slight suspicion of a bug is different from obvious bugs, like bidding 15M for a rider, getting the rider while no money is subtracted.

It is certainly something to look in to. Maybe Oska has done that already and did not say anthing because there is nothing to say, e.g. the race evaluation is correct as it is. It may be something coincidental in the game engine. Then again, there may be something wrong with it.

[WinterIsComing]

I've check all 5 pages on The Search including 'bug' and there's any info or report of this stage Bug, apart from Vos post. On Discord Chat either.

If managers who knew that didnt report to Oska, that's not taking notes, it's literally cheating. Rules are clear about that.

That is your opinion. I have another opinion. But it's not up to us to decide. 

[Flandria23]

dutch managers have pretty the same opinion. Why not surprise me...

And the last thing I want here is to create a spanish-dutch confrontation. I appreciate most of you, but if you didnt report this then it's a big dissapointment for me I had you on high steem.

[tommyboonen]

I think Osca has to confirm wether it's a bug or not.
If so, maybe best solution is to fix it and re-race, or replace it for another cobble stage?

I probably lost the race and probably podium in this race but this not worried to me, its only a game. The most important to me is that this things generates reasonable doubts. Its the most important to me.

[Spammie]

No race at 19:00?

[michinoo]

 It seems Oska is fixing this issue. Maybe he will say us something soon...

[Flandria23]

If you put tactics today then you need to put National Teams tactics again due to the update